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Brothers fight at bedtime

My son, his wife and 3 children live with me. The children are 7, 5 and 3. The 7 year-old has Aspbergers and the 3 year-old is autistic.

The 7 year old and 5 year old share a nice large room with bunk beds. However, the 5 year -old says he needs his brother to "protect" him, because he is afraid to sleep alone. ( The family went through a difficult time before they moved in with me, including serious illnessand hospitalization of their father.)This means he talks all the time and won't let his brother get to sleep. This drives the 7 year-old nuts and he ends up hitting the 5 year old. No amount of screaming by the parents or yelling at either child seems to have any effect and the parents seem unable to cope with this. The unholy racket goes on , sometimes for hours. There is not really another room where one of them could sleep separately.
Occasionally I will have the 5 year -old sleep in my room and he is fine, but I don't want to do this on a long-term basis, and I can't continue live with this terrible racket every evening.

We could actually divide the room with a screen-like shelf unit, but that won't stop the 5 year-old talking and that is the problem. Before I suggest to my son and his wife that they take the boys to counselling, I would like to hear what other people suggest.

Re: Brothers fight at bedtime

well since he is only 5 you should or some adult in the house should let him sleep inthe room if they cant grt along break them up until you find a good measure for peace

Re: Re: Brothers fight at bedtime

Let him sleep with you or with his parents.
There is no need to force his brother to be a parent to him. That is not fair and will destroy their relationship.

If you are worried about a five year old sleeping in the same room with adults, read the book The Family Bed, and also, about brothers fighting in general read, Raising Our Children, Raising Ourselves. Amazon has these books.
Have your daughter read them too so you can agree on what you do.

Hope this helps.

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Have you tried splitting up the bedtime? Maybe put the 5 year old to bed first and then an hour later put the 7 year old to bed? May take a bit of time for the 5 year old to settle on his own but it will save the 7 year old from getting all upset if he can sneak in when the 5 year old is asleep?

Just an idea......

Re: Brothers fight at bedtime

Of course no end of yelling and screaming from their parents won't work - yelling and screaming at a five year old is not the way to go. Separate their bedtimes and make sure the five year old always has the same bedtime, routine is essntial to security. The problem here is that the five year old is insecure because of all the past problems and shouting and punishing will only make that worse. Make sure there is a set bedtime routine - supper, bathtime with lots of bubbles and fun and games, into bed and a storytime. settle him down properly with a story, read him to sleep if necessary, give him his own personal secure bedtime and put the seven year old to bed an hour or so later once his brother is asleep. Family councelling may really be necessary, not just because of the bedtime thing but because there is obviously a lack of parenting skill and insecurities to be resolved.