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Maribel
Jul 8, 07 - 10:34 PM |
Brimstone
About that(AKA Sulphur) do you know that we have that in our bodies http://www.banchanida.com/minerals/008.html and it was used for healing diseases. But spiritual brimstone in the lake of fire, wow. |
Mike Burke
 Jul 10th, 2007 - 12:50 AM |
Re: Brimstone
Interesting. Thank you. |
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tm55
Aug 18th, 2007 - 6:38 PM |
Re: Brimstone
Here's what Charles Pridgeon had to say about torment in the lake of fire (to cut to the chase, just read the final sentence) ... "The original idea of the verb [basanizo = torment] is 'to put to the test by rubbing on a touchstone,' to test some metal that looked like gold to find whether it was real or not. The meaning and usage harmonizes with the idea of divine purification and the torment which is the test to find whether there has been any change in the sufferer ... Sulphur [brimstone] was sacred to the deity among the ancient Greeks; and was used to fumigate, to purify, to cleanse and consecrate to the deity; for this purpose they burned it in their incense. In Homer's Iliad (16:228), one is spoken of as purifying a goblet with fire and brimstone. The verb derived from THEION is THEIOO, which means to hallow, to make divine, or to dedicate to a god ... To any Greek, or any trained in the Greek language, a 'lake of fire and brimstone' would mean a 'lake of divine purification.'" Hope this helps and blessings to all! |
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Zach
Aug 18th, 2007 - 9:36 PM |
Re: Brimstone
Whatever the word originally meant, that does not prove that the common translation is inaccurate. The word appears to be used in a sense indicating torment throughout the NT. You can see the contexts in which it is used here: http://www.studylight.org/lex/grk/browse.cgi?letter=b&sn=21&pn=2 (numbers 928-931). As for fire and brimstone, it's worth remembering that the first time "fire and brimstone" is mentioned, it is the instrument of Sodom and Gomorrah's destruction. I don't see the biblical warrant for the interpretation of "fire and brimstone" as "divine purification." |
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tm55
Aug 19th, 2007 - 8:58 AM |
Re: Brimstone
Thanks for your good points, Zach. Actually, I'm not objecting too much to the translation of "basanizo" as "torment" (since the lake of fire will involve torment (not torture) as well as purification). As you may know, the fourth century church father Gregory of Nyssa stated ... "The Divine judgment does not as its chief object cause pain to those who have sinned, but works good alone by separating from evil, and drawing to a share in blessedness. But this severance of good from evil causes the pain (of the judgment). In other words, the penalty is the cure; it is merely the unavoidable pain attending the removal of the intruding element of sin." As for Sodom and Gomorrah, I think the combination of the following points argues strongly for universalism ... o Sodom and Gomorrah were obviously very sinful and were destroyed by fire and brimstone (sulfur) o Per Jude 7, Sodom and Gomorrah were an example for all those judged by aionion fire o Sodom will be restored (Ezekiel 16:53-55) |
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