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Mike Burke
 Feb 20, 06 - 8:47 AM |
Dispensational Pre-millennialism No New Thing
Many people identify dispensational pre-millenialism with John Nelson Darby, and think of it as a new thing that came along in the 19th century. There are web sites promoting this idea on the internet, and it's clearly false. My main page now has a link to excerpts from a series of lectures given in the 1700's--by a universalist named Elhanan Winchester--and he was clearly teaching a form of dispensational pre-millennialism a century before Darby. The series of lectures are called "The Prophecies that Remain to be fulfilled," and those interested should also see "A Reality Check for Pantelists" (which you can also link to from my main page.) Blessings to all. |
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Amethousia
Feb 23rd, 2006 - 8:40 AM |
Re: Dispensational Pre-millennialism No New Thing
Double Secret Universalistic Dispensationalism!  what a find. |
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Mike Burke
Feb 23rd, 2006 - 11:17 AM |
Re: Dispensational Pre-millennialism No New Thing
What do you mean by "Double Secret Universalistic Dispensationalism"? |
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Amethousia
Feb 23rd, 2006 - 12:12 PM |
Re: Dispensational Pre-millennialism No New Thing
it's "double secret" because it is not generally known; its universalistic because the guy in 1700's was a universalist, and its dispensational because of the focus on Israel returning to their own land My phrase is sort of a joke from the movie "Animal House" where Belushi and his fraternity brothers were on "Double Secret Probation" -- it was not a serious attempt to label anything. |
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Mike Burke
Feb 23rd, 2006 - 1:48 PM |
Re: Dispensational Pre-millennialism No New Thing
Thanks for the clarification. God Bless. |
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pam
Aug 8th, 2007 - 12:33 PM |
Re: Dispensational Pre-millennialism No New Thing
The dispensational view is being lost because Bible study is not very popular now; not study interested in finding out what the Bible has to say, anyway. In our humanistic culture it seems that most study is based upon the needs of man and how to get them, in the form of blessings, from God. In a humanistic culture, God only has value in how He serves the needs of man. That also is reflected by the predominate view that Salavaiton is about our eternal destiny when in fact, it is but a small portion of a greater overall work of God that serves mankind secondary to giving Him glory. History has also been lost to Social Studies which reduces the events of times past to facts rearranged and only remembered in how they can serve man today. History shows us our place in that which is much greater than we are. Social Studies limits place and time to ourselves only. The dispensational view is truly, His Story and if His-story is supplanted by man's need then the subsequent is to make the Bible over into the image of man and then eventually, as man further declines to be done away with all together. Ah, but in the 'dispensation of the fullness of time' God will also work all of this to the good for those who are His in Christ Jesus.:0) All have been bought with a price and someday, every knee will bend and confess Jesus as Lord. Pam |
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Mike Burke
Aug 8th, 2007 - 6:09 PM |
Re: Dispensational Pre-millennialism No New Thing
[Quote] In a humanistic culture, God only has value in how He serves the needs of man. That also is reflected by the predominate view that Salvation is about our eternal destiny when in fact, it is but a small portion of a greater overall work of God that serves mankind secondary to giving Him glory. [unquote] Interesting, but isn't it God's goodness, love, and mercy that bring Him His greatest glory? How did Jesus define greatness? Jesus called them together and said, "You know that those who are regarded as rulers of the Gentiles lord it over them, and their high officials exercise authority over them. Not so with you. Instead, whoever wants to become great among you must be your servant, and whoever wants to be first must be slave of all. (Mark 10:42-44.) IMO, the out-working of God's plan will bring Him glory precisely because His creatures are not some "secondary" consideration. [Quote] Ah, but in the 'dispensation of the fullness of time' God will also work all of this to the good for those who are His in Christ Jesus [unquote] Also? [Quote] All have been bought with a price and someday, every knee will bend and confess Jesus as Lord. [unquote] Amen. Thank you Pam (and G-d Bless.) |
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pam
Aug 9th, 2007 - 11:05 AM |
Re: Dispensational Pre-millennialism No New Thing
When God is fully glorified, then man's needs are best met. This is not a secondary condition but rather it is detrimental for us to reshape God into an image of serving our perceived needs only. We are served when we serve God but not to the fulfilling our our desires, which may or more often, may not be according to God's desires. Anyway, I have much to disagree with when it comes to humanism and I dislike what its influence has had upon primarily education and subsequently, our culture. But yes, God is working it out.:0) Pam |
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