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Chris Smith
 IP: 88.105.219.153 May 13, 08 - 8:42 PM |
Qualifying Fee.
Ok then we all gave the £20 qualification entry fee a go some people paid others didn't. I cannot see how this can be any advantage to anybody even the people that thought it was a good idea. As far as i could see the racing took longer due to extra heats. The first time i have ever seen 8 class 4's they were split to 2 sets of 4 cars. There were 2 class 3 driving round on their own. A visiting driver was forced to go out and basically race himself as he wasn't allowed out with the qualifiers. "I bet he comes back soon!!" I cannot see how this fee was an advantage to anybody. Perhaps we should really weed out the people that want to go to the nationals by raising the fee to £100 and then we should run all the qualifying races first so the none qualifiers can marshal for the qualifiers thus allowing them to go home early and perhaps spend some more time on a rolling road or polishing their profesional paint jobs. Maybe we could even charge non qualifiers £10 each to cover travel expenses for the people trying to qualify. Or just maybee - a radical thought i know. We should allow the best cars / drivers to go to the nationals. That would be the person that can line up with anybody on the sart line and still come out with consistanly good results. If anybody out their thought this was a good idea then please let me know so we can try to improve it further. If not and i have missed any other downsides out then let me know anyway. I get the feeling that some clubs do not have their members best interests at heart and don't ask for their members opinions. I fail to see how North Wales Members voted unanimously against this idea yet the League AGM passed this idea. Thanks for reading this and please reply with your views or just a "I liked it" / "Daft Idea" because i feel it needs sorting early on this year so that it can be sorted out at the league AGM. PS. Thanks to everybody that helped out at the last meeting we can't run a meeting without your help. For anybody that didn't help it would be a great help if you could help at least once a year as the club has over 100 members and this would be 12 officials each meeting which is more than enough. Anybody wishing to help but not knowing how to just needs to see a committee member or come down to the start line during racing and speak to someone with a marshalls jacket on. |
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R Purton
IP: 195.93.21.3 May 13th, 2008 - 9:52 PM |
Re: Qualifying Fee.
Have just spent some time reading the threads about the whole thing. It seems such a shame that there is such ill feeling about it all - North Wales has been doing so well and we all need to keep this going. I do not think its fair that those not able to qualify lose out on points... Maybe to be completely separate and allow club points to be acrued - the qualifying heats could be run on the saturday afternoon. This would mean that EVERYONE could race for club on the sunday and points awarded duly. Just an idea... It should be an honour to represent your club at the nationals and proves that if your car is a homebrew special and you make it that far -then you've done a grand job... Something to be proud of. Right that's enough from me... hope the rest of the season goes well for everyone - qualifying or not!! x |
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Carla Stubbings
IP: 91.109.0.118 May 13th, 2008 - 10:41 PM |
Re: Qualifying Fee.
MY PERSONAL VIEW Well said Chris absolutley stupid idea. |
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Russ Stubbings
IP: 91.109.0.118 May 13th, 2008 - 11:10 PM |
Re: Qualifying Fee.
Totally agree with you Chris refused point blank to pay like most members said they would. Was shocked at how many North Wales who were against the idea and have clearly shown their feelings on this forum, turn up and paid the £20. I know of two NW club drivers who were forced to pay the £20 so they had someone to race. How can that be fair? Does qualifying for the nationals mean more than some people's principals? |
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Carla Stubbings
IP: 91.109.0.118 May 14th, 2008 - 10:34 AM |
Re: Qualifying Fee.
My personal views AGAIN!!! Just a thought......I was too tired last night to type. As the root of all evil (MONEY) has been invitied into a process where it was not needed, why don't we do away with qualifying and just hold an auction at the start of the season, the highest bid in each class gets a place. All money raised to go to the unfortunate soles who are forced to attend the nationals and represent their club / league. They could then have a well earned holiday to recover from the ordeal!!!! It is an honour to attend the nationals and the oppourtunity should be there for the club member who has come across some good luck to go. Not just those who thought they had a good chance before hand. I know the process in place is similar to the one used at York, but York is a big club and needs to wean the number of drivers down somehow. North Western League is only small and doesn't need separate qualifying races. If there were multiple races of each class then maybe but all that is being achieved is providing small crap races to watch. |
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Dewi Jones
IP: 88.110.14.173 May 14th, 2008 - 8:31 PM |
Re: Qualifying Fee.
Hi Chris, this £20 business has caused a lot of bitterness and bad feelings within the club members so I think the £100 fee would cause world war 3 !!. As one that did pay the £20 I now feel that I have a say in what happens to that money, as the league have entered into a contract with me,ie: offer, acceptance, payment,recipt = contract, and I feel if everybody from NWA that have paid this £20 can stick together on this we can do something positive about it,eg that the monies paid stay within own club to help drivers from home clubs to go to nationals 
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Chris Smith
IP: 88.105.128.239 May 14th, 2008 - 9:50 PM |
Re: Qualifying Fee.
Dewi, if you have a contract with the league then how can you change what is going to happen to this money. As a matter of interest what were you told would happen to this money? I can understand fully why people who were against the idea of the £20 fee still paid as if they hadn't paid then it would have played right into Leewood and ARC's hands. I think that NASA should step in and sort out this qualifying fiasco as it is in effect fiddling the allocations. The people not paying the "fee" are contributing towards nationals places for the fee paying members. For people that don't know how the nationals places are decided. Example there are 400 cars in class 5 that have signed on before a cuttoff date approx June but not sure. If 41 of those cars were from the north western then we would get 10.25% of the places at the nationals. There are 40 places on offer so the north western gets 4.1 places. The .1 of a place is probably the lowest fraction so may earn us a 10th reserve place. I.e. if 9 people fail to attend the nationals then our reserve gets to race. So without the 2nd class racers who don't want to pay the fee the fee payers wouldn't get as many places. Is this really fair. Are the superstars that worried that they can't beat anyone in their race. If thats the case why go to the nationals! Still haven't seen anybody that thought it was a good idea yet. There must be someone out there. Not least the Leewoood or Arc members who voted for it at the League meeting. |
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Dewi Jones
IP: 88.110.14.173 May 14th, 2008 - 11:05 PM |
Re: Qualifying Fee.
Chris, the monies paid as far as I am concerned are forming some kind of contract with the NORTH WESTERN LEAGUE, not NASA as that is in the form of the licence , surely we must have some security in numbers?? . I was told that if I signed on at every qualifing round then i would get my £20 back!!, but I can't understand if everybody signed on, then they would have to give all the money back so what was the point in collecting it in the first place? Will wait with baited breath to see what happens, the goal posts and ideas seem to differ depends on who you talk/listen too. It really saddens me to see what should be a totaly amateur sport being spoilt by the money bags of this world treating the sport as win at any cost, before long they will be demanding appearance money for bringing their gleam machines to race meetings, but if i have anything to do with it they are going to fall flat on their posteriors on this matter
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rhyso
IP: 84.13.34.2 May 15th, 2008 - 7:15 PM |
Re: Qualifying Fee.
Hi All, I agree with everything Chris has said 100%. I am also one of the drivers who has voiced his opinions quite strongly about this, then paid my £20 to try to qualify(what a waste of money that was!), but if i wanted to qualify I had no choice but to pay, or stand by and watch the nationals places go unchallenged.So I apologise to anyone who thinks I am a hypocrite, but I don't make the rules we have to abide by them or change them. The reasoning for the fee has been explained to me, and the most valid argument I have heard is that visiting drivers might get in the way of people genuinely wishing to qualify(i would like to state here that I disagree with this statement) I saw only a handful of visiting drivers on sunday, could these few have really altered the qulifying? I doubt it. Could it be that it was because Shropshire League, the home of the majority of our visiting drivers also had their qualis on sunday? is that an avenue we could perhaps explore, that is to say liaise with neighbouring leagues, and holding qualifiers on the same day? seems to be a painless solution to it all. 
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Steve Walker
IP: 88.202.251.3 May 16th, 2008 - 11:04 AM |
Re: Qualifying Fee.
I have already voiced my opinion on this subject, although I agree with part of this idea for segregating the qualifying races from out of league drivers I could not with good conscience pay the £20, as I and many other drivers including most if not all of the league officials who voted this rule through have in the past and this year travelled to other clubs on their qualifying rounds and raced, I think it is hypocritical to force a rule onto travelling drivers who visit North Wales and then go and race with their qualifying cars. I believe if it is not broken don’t fix it, we have been holding qualifiers for years with out of league drivers so why cant this continue for many more years to come. I would also like to state that it was said to me on Sunday that a certain driver who had not paid his £20 was racing with the qualifying drivers, this makes a farce of the whole thing and surely this driver racing with paying drivers has affected the outcome of the points awarded and the exercise was to avoid this happening, so who was supposed to police this? Steve |
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